Comments on: Two Offensive Rebounds Helps The Bucks Win

By: Lynn

Lynn — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:37:27 +0000

This is a bit off topic, but my thoughts on Jennings free throw when I first saw it, was that it would be the best way to intentionally miss a free throw. In those rare occurences where teams are in desparation mode or wanting to run out the clock at the end of the game, they mostly intentionally miss off the backboard. But a well placed shot off the side of the rim would be more effective, especially if a player was placed along the baseline to that side.

Just a thought.

By: james

james — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:05:13 +0000

that ft miss from jennings is UGLY

By: RAy1981

RAy1981 — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:56:42 +0000

^ My thoughts exactly

By: Kamron

Kamron — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:54:40 +0000

Hawks gave up a chance for getting 2 points while allowing the Bucks to get 2 points. That is a 4 point swing right there.

That is a chance at a 4 point, or even a 5 point swing. But it’s not like this error alone cost the Hawks 4 points- this error plus a hypothetical successful offensive sequence and an actual bad defensive sequence costs the Hawks 4 points.
It matters a lot at the end of games eg down 2, you miss a defensive rebound, you miss a chance to tie & give the other team a chance to extend the lead. But, as I said, NBA teams average about a point per possession- if we want to put a real value on missing a box-out, it’s about 1 point (unless they get an easy putback etc from the offensive board).

Or, to look at it another way- if the Bucks hadn’t scored off of the offensive rebound, it wouldn’t mean that Smith should be forgiven. It shouldn’t matter either way- he screwed up and maybe gave the Bucks an extra possession at a critical juncture. What they do with that possession doesn’t make the mistake any better or any worse.

Sure it was a tough bounce, but if Josh Smith is in a more athletic position, rather than being flatfooted, he could probably have gotten a better jump on the basketball.

Ok, I see what you’re saying now- not that he didn’t box out to keep Ilyasova away from the ball, but I watched it again and yeah, the carom is so low that he might have had a jump at it if he wasn’t flatfooted and had his hands up. But it went by pretty quickly, it’d have been a heck of a play to grab that (or a very good anticipation).
I guess it’s not so much that Smith should’ve made that play for sure, but that he just wasn’t playing with the focus that you’d expect from the end of a game 5, standing up and watching the ball go by rather than being in position to make something happen.

By: zenartiste

zenartiste — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:21:32 +0000

I hear what you’re saying about the first sequence but think your point a bit subjective. Yes, Josh could have, should have, held the box out. Yet that may not have helped him. Ersan would have been on his back and therefore closer to the bouncing corner ball (which is what happened anyway).

As for Crawford, I agree with the Kamron. And more. If you watch it again, he wasn’t even sucked in towards Thomas’ spot up. He simply checked out and floated to no man’s land while watching the play unfold before him. Sheesh, would someone get him a beer and popcorn (or whatever delicacy they serve in Atlanta’s arena)? Wake him when it’s time to jack another jumper? One would hope that being the longest tenured without a playoff game would equate to intense effort at this point of the game and not a deer in the headlights reaction. Apparently not.

By: Sebastian Pruiti

Sebastian Pruiti — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:33:58 +0000

Sure it was a tough bounce, but if Josh Smith is in a more athletic position, rather than being flatfooted, he could probably have gotten a better jump on the basketball. As for the swings you can call it a 4 point swing because the Hawks gave up a chance for getting 2 points while allowing the Bucks to get 2 points. That is a 4 point swing right there.

By: Kamron

Kamron — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:48:49 +0000

btw, I know most of my comments are negative, but I love the site & what you’re doing here. What can I say, a screwed-up childhood leads me to express positive emotions via criticism.

By: Kamron

Kamron — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:45:57 +0000

Wrong on the first one- Smith could’ve put The Box-Out Of The Century on Ilyasova and that still won’t do much stop him from chasing down a long rebound in the corner. If he’s forced to lean in against the box-out it’ll slow him a little bit, but no one gets blamed when the ball bounces into the corner like this.
On the second one- it’s painful to watch Crawford shuffling back and forth between his feet- he’s not even in a stance ready to move, he’s just f&^$ing waiting around for this whole defense BS to get overwith so he can take some more shots. Even when Delfino shoots, his man goes right past him to the rim for the board while he’s just gawking at the play. He puts an arm out half-heartedly, touching his man as he goes by. Pathetic.
He has always been a ‘good’ player on a bad team, and apparently nothing has changed.

Also, please don’t call an offensive rebound a “4 point swing” based on Atlanta hypothetically scoring on the other end. Why not call it a 6 point swing, the Hawks could’ve hit a 3 and got fouled? Possession is worth about a point all things considered.