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The Hawks Struggling Against The Pick And Roll

When you think of the Orlando Magic, you think of 4 shooters surrounding the perimeter as Dwight Howard kicks it out to them.  You don’t really think of the pick and roll too much, however in game 2, the Magic ran the pick and roll at the beginning of the 4th quarter. almost exclusively as they were able to pull away from the Hawks.

Three different times when the Magic ran their pick and roll in the 4th, the Atlanta Hawks tried three different ways to stop it.  The one common link in these three plays were the Hawks going over the screen set by Dwight Howard.  This is because the Magic were using Vince Carter as the ball handler in these PNRs.  If the Hawks’ defenders went under these screens, it would have given Vince Carter an open jumper, and he is a very good shooter when he is shooting off the dribble going to his right side.  So to prevent that, the Hawks went over the screen to chase him off the three point line.

Going Over And Switch

Each of these plays started with Vince Carter getting the ball on the wing.  Dwight Howard would then come over and set a screen for Carter.

As Carter gets over the screen, Joe Johnson try to follow Carter over the screen.  However he seems to get caught up in Howard’s screen, so Zaza Pachulia steps up and tries to pick up Carter.

However, Vince Carter is too quick for Pachulia and he spins off of him and draws the foul, allowing for Carter to get 2 fouls shots.

Going Over And Hedging

The next time down the court, the Magic go right back to the pick and roll.

Again the Hawks’ send Vince Carter’s defender over the screen, but this time there is no switch.  The Hawks have Al Horford in help position along with Josh Smith.  Josh Smith can’t commit too far because he doesn’t want to leave Rashard Lewis open (and this is what makes the Magic so dangerous).

Carter does a great job of forcing the action, and with both Josh Smith and Al Horford not really committing to help, Carter is able to split both defenders and finish with the dunk.

Going Over And Trapping

If something is working, you gotta keep going with it right?  Well, that is the Magic’s philosophy here as once again they run the pick and roll for Vince Carter.  This time, the Hawks try to trap Vince Carter to close out his path to the lane.

The Hawks get a pretty good trap here, but as they are trapping, Dwight Howard rolls uncontested to the rim.

This roll from Dwight puts Josh Smith in a tough spot.  Smith doesn’t know if he should stay with Dwight or stay with his man Rashard Lewis.

Smith chooses to take away the easy bucket and he drops down on Dwight Howard.  As Rashard Lewis makes the catch, Jamal Crawford has to leave his man and pick up Lewis.

The Magic swing the ball around to Mickael Pietrus, who Jamal Crawford had to leave to cover Rashard Lewis.  Al Horford now has to run all the way across the lane to close out on Pietrus.

Pietrus makes a smart play here by pump-faking, sending Horford jumping past him, and then attacking the paint.

Pietrus is able to draw the foul on this attack.

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May 2010
POSTED BY Sebastian Pruiti
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  • Ayo

    Yeah, ATL had no answer for this yesterday.
    I think ATL should go under the screen and take their chances with carter on the off-the-dribble 3. He’s only shooting .367 from three, and even though that percentage might improve if he’s left open I’d still rather have Carter shoot a three than have a wide-open Lewis, Pietrus, Redick or Nelson.

  • http://www.twitter.com/statcenter Twitter Statcenter

    Nice work as usual, Sebastian. So it seems to me that the Hawks and Spurs are both in trouble in their respective series primarily because of PNR defense, but that the root problem is different in each case. For the Hawks, there are too many Magic players who can shoot or slash, leaving help defenders in an impossible situation (esp because they can’t let Dwight roll unencumbered). For the Spurs, Nash’s instincts for making the right drive-or-pass read, combined with his ability to pass the ball to the weak side so well, seems to be the biggest problem. Is that a fair assessment?

  • donaltc

    If I’m the Hawks, I make them shoot. This team is not nearly as proficient from long-range as their system encourages them to be. Rashard and Vince aren’t exactly the best at wide open looks, despite their reps.

  • Sebastian Pruiti

    Um, I am pretty sure they set the record for most threes made in a season…

  • Sebastian Pruiti

    That is a fair assessment, though Tim Duncan’s age is really catching up with him on the defensive side of the ball:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15752/has-tim-duncan-become-a-defensive-liability

  • nich

    I’d just let Howard go to the hoop and foul him. Keeping the game out of a 3pt shooting rhythm and putting Howard on the line seems like the best overall strategy. Its time for Pachulia to get banned from the NBA.

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  • HOUCKS1113

    When the Magic set that record they had Hedo, a way better shooter than Carter has ever been. The Hawks just need to rotate, communicate and close out on shooters better.

    For instance, on example 3 Josh Smith should have closed out on MP and Horford take Howard.

  • noah

    No Houcks111, they set the record for 3′s made in a season this season, with Vince Carter not Hedo Turkoglu. By the way, you may want to check out Hedo’s stats this year, he’s just not as good of a player out of the Magic’s system and without so many weapons around him.

  • Art

    @HOUCKS1113

    Orlando set that record this season. In fact the record setting 3 was actually made by Carter.

    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/14/magic.record.ap/index.html

  • Adam

    HOUCKS1113 :When the Magic set that record they had Hedo, a way better shooter than Carter has ever been. The Hawks just need to rotate, communicate and close out on shooters better.
    For instance, on example 3 Josh Smith should have closed out on MP and Horford take Howard.

    Um, no. Sorry. The Magic beat the Suns record THIS year for most three’s made. The record they broke last year was most in one game. Get your facts straight. The Magic are the MOST dangerous team from three point range. Period.

  • Adam

    Art :@HOUCKS1113
    Orlando set that record this season. In fact the record setting 3 was actually made by Carter.
    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/14/magic.record.ap/index.html

    This is correct.

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  • Guitarzan

    HOUCKS1113 :
    When the Magic set that record they had Hedo, a way better shooter than Carter has ever been. The Hawks just need to rotate, communicate and close out on shooters better.
    For instance, on example 3 Josh Smith should have closed out on MP and Horford take Howard.

    Did you really just say Turkoglu is a way better shooter than carter has ever been. Man sometimes the blind VC hate is truly rediculous.

  • HOUCKS1113

    Since when has VC truly and honestly just been dead on lethal from the 3? And beyond that Turk can play all 5 spots thus for making him way more valuable especially in ORL’s system. Lets not forget that shooting was Turks trade from jump in Sacto. And Ima also need all you sofa critics to watch the tone.
    And whos stats would not fall going to Toronto? They def did not utilize Turk to his full capacity.

  • HOUCKS1113

    And besides all that, the focal point of what I was saying is that ATL rotation & communication needs work and thus for why they are thoroughly getting worked.

  • NC Magic Fan

    @HOUCKS1113
    The Magic set the 3-point record THIS year. Vince this year was a better 3 point shooter than Turk was (36.7% vs. Turks 35.7% last year)

  • devin

    @NC Magic Fan

    And that’s including the awful two-month stretch that Vince had in December & January. You take those two months out and his shooting percentage from beyond the arc is 42.1%.

    VC is an excellent shooter from 3…

  • HOUCKS1113

    How are you going to try and use an average and remove two months in the process??? And VC also benefits from being on a team where you should/have to guard EVERYONE on the floor honest. Also, be real with yourself, are you really going to allow that 1% as you basis???

    Once again, the article is discussing the problem ATL is having with the PNR. Not 3P%. And I would rather want someone to shoot from 26+ Ft than Dwight dunking left and right. Like I said ATL rotation leaves plenty to be desired.

  • Marquez

    Great post. This is one reason I think the Magic are the team to beat right now. These PNR plays are so difficult to defend without textbook perfect rotations and closeouts. The Lakers lengthy defenders (Odom and Ariza) fought over the screens and hindered Hedo’s ability to run the PNR. It’s going to take another lengthy athletic defender to stop it this time. The Magic spread the floor so well and have too many shooters to defend. Not to mention the force of Howard inside. The Magic will win it all if they continue to stick to their game plan this year.

  • devin

    HOUCKS1113 :
    How are you going to try and use an average and remove two months in the process??? And VC also benefits from being on a team where you should/have to guard EVERYONE on the floor honest. Also, be real with yourself, are you really going to allow that 1% as you basis???
    Once again, the article is discussing the problem ATL is having with the PNR. Not 3P%. And I would rather want someone to shoot from 26+ Ft than Dwight dunking left and right. Like I said ATL rotation leaves plenty to be desired.

    Clearly it was an aberration. Yeah, it sucked, and even WITH those two months, he shot better than Hedo from outside on essentially the same team. I was just showing how that if you remove his awful stretch (whether he was hiding an injury or something, I don’t know)

  • devin

    (not sure why I got cut off)

    , but either way it’s clear that he’s a much better player than he was in that stretch.

    As for this being about the Hawks PNR, you were the one who asked when VC has been lethal from 3. Don’t get upset when you get an answer.

  • HOUCKS1113

    He shot what he shot regardless of the two months or not. Allowing for players to fiercely attack the rim is more lethal than allowing players to shoot that far out. Teams can easily shoot themselves out of games as many times ORL has and other teams that heavily rely on the 3 (PHX)…

    And also take notice in the three plays that are shown none of them end with a jump shot…