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Can A Poor Shooting PG Run An Effective Pick And Roll?

In my last post where I talked about the Thunder’s ineffective pick and roll, commenter Rex asked an interesting question.  He asked:

A related question: are there any teams who are good on the PNR but whose PG isn’t a good shooter?

This was an interesting question that I decided to examine further.  So I used the great statistical site, Hoopdata.com to gather a team’s starting PG shooting percentage from 10-23 feet:

Shooting

I chose that range because I think that is where a PG gets most of his shots when he comes off the screen while handling the basketball.

Poor Shooting PGs with Good “PNR – Ball Handler” Numbers

After finding the shooting percentage of the starting point guards for the 30 NBA teams (For teams with multiple starters, I used the PG who started the most games), I went through each player’s Synergy page to determine their individual “PNR – Ball Handler” points per possession:

IndvPNR

The one player that sticks out when looking at this chart is Chauncey Billups.  Billups ranks 15th among all starting point guards in shooting percentage from 10-23 feet, shooting 39%.  However, when it comes to individual points per possession coming out of the “Pick and Roll – Ball Handler” set, he ranks second with 0.95 points per possession.  So how is Billups able to be successful coming off screens while not shooting the ball terribly well?  He gets to the rim:

Going through Billups makes coming off a screen, you notice a good amount of them are layups.  Billups is always looking to get to the rim rather than settling for jumpers.  He’s also crafty enough to get to the rim on a consistent basis.  In the play above Billups uses a brilliant hesitation move that forces the defender to come at him like he is taking a shot, however he doesn’t even give up his dribble and he is able to finish at the rim.

Poor Shooting PGs with Good Team “PNR – Roll Man” Numbers

In addition to looking at individual “PNR – Ball Handler” to determine the success of a pick and roll, I also like to look at the team’s roll man numbers.  This is because hitting the roll man is the second option for PGs when running the pick and roll.  Here are the numbers:

TeamPNR

I am going to be completely honest here, I was surprised to see the Knicks top this list, especially since Chris Duhon is the worst shooting starting point guard in the league.  Before doing this, I thought that most teams who are successful hitting roll man would have a good shooter running the point.  This is because teams would hedge and double hard, preventing the open jumper and leaving the roll man open.  However, this shows me if you have a good player rolling off the screen, that seems to be more important than who is running the point.  The Knicks are a perfect example of that:

David Lee plays center for the Knicks, and while that move has its disadvantages, an advantage is that Lee gets matched up against most teams centers when he is on the offensive end.  This means that he is quicker than most people defending him, and he plays the PNR like he knows that advantage.  You will never see Lee set a solid screen, because most of the time he is rolling before his point guard even gets around it.  This leads to Lee getting to the rim and getting the basketball in scoring areas before the help can come.  Which is exactly what happens in the play above.

So Can You Have A Poor Shooting PG & An Effective Pick And Roll

The answer seems to be yes, but only with the right personnel.  Either you need to have a PG crafty enough to get himself to the rim when coming off of screens, or you need a good/mobile screener who can roll quick enough to give his team and advantage.

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  • Rex
    @Sam
    Ah, now that makes sense. Thanks.
  • Jaffe
    doesn't the fact that billups shoots so well on threes help him? I'm actually suprised about the pacers ranked so high on the roll man? The guys above him all have an obvious reason to be ranked that high
    i.e
    Duhon-lee
    Nash- amare
    williams- boozer +system
    jack-bosh
    paul- west+ hes chris paul
    bibby- smith+ horford athletic ability
    but who does watson have?
  • austinpwnz
    A lot of what you said about Billups (ability to get to the rim, hesitation moves) is also true for Andre Miller, who is a fairly bad shooter for a PG but a pretty decent P&R player.
  • Sam
    @Rex
    I think you're getting the two Williams confused because Utah is excellent.
  • Rex
    Kevin: great topic!

    But, seriously, thanks for doing the analysis. Interesting stuff. I was surprised at the low, low PNR - Roll Man efficiency for Utah.
  • Rex
    @Jimmy
    "Pick-and-roll" describes only what the roll man does. Let roll man = RM, ball handler = BH, and their defenders = D-RM and D-BH, respectively.

    Classic PNR: RM sets the pick, BH dribbles around him, D-BH follows BH but runs into RM, D-RM switches to cover BH, at which point RM rolls to the basket. BH either pulls up for a shot ("PNR - Ball Handler") or passes to RM who then shoots ("PNR - Roll Man").

    The BH doesn't need to be a PG. The reason I asked about PG's specifically was because Kevin recommended that the Thunder use Durant as the BH to improve their PNR efficiency. I wondered if that was a viable strategy, seeing how BH is usually the PG with the dribbling, shooting, and passing ability to make it work well.
  • Dan
    @Dan
    And no the ball handler doesn't necessarilly have to be a PG. I think SGs regularly take up the role of ball handler.
  • Dan
    The ball handler is the guy handling the ball. The roll man sets the screen on the guy defending the ball handler. This allows for either a) the ball handler to get his shot off by taking a jump shot or going to the rim or b) the roll man to roll away from the defenders into a space to get his shot off.

    Hope I've got that right, I'm just starting to get my head round the finer details of basketball. This blog helps a lot and the article was an interesting one.
  • Jimmy
    I know this should be plainly obvious to me, but since it isn't, do you mind explaining the difference between the roll man and the ball handler in the pick-and-roll? Also, is it necessarily the case that either of those positions are held by a point guard (or a guard, in general)?
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