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Jordan Hill’s Post Up Struggles

Despite Jordan Hill’s struggles during his short stint with the Knicks, Jordan Hill came to Houston and played better with the increased amount of minutes.  While he didn’t set the world on fire, Hill’s averages of 6.4 points and 5 rebounds a game was a vast improvement over what he did in New York, and Hill is looking to build off that improvement this upcoming season, however, he might not get the minutes to do so.  Yao Ming looking to return for training camp and Patrick Patterson (who with Scola returning has a chance at being the first big off of the bench) being drafted Hill is going to have to earn his minutes, and if Summer League is any indication, he might not be seeing the court too much this year.

Jordan Hill’s biggest problem offensively seems to be his inability to get a good look after he receives the ball in the post with his back to the basket.  He was so raw offensively coming out of college, and it seems (at least to me) that he still hasn’t done any back to the basket work.  Hill doesn’t know how to use his combination of size and strength in the post to his advantage just yet:

Here, Jordan Hill makes the catch in a pretty good spot.  Defending him is the Suns’ second round pick, Gani Lawal.  Lawal probably is equal to Hill in terms of strength, but when it comes to quickness/athletic ability, that favors Hill.  Hill doesn’t exploit this advantage, and instead he tries to improve his position by muscling Lawal with two shots to the body.  He doesn’t get anywhere, and instead of trying a spin move to the baseline (which is there, and with Hill’s quickness advantage it would work) he settles for a fall-away hook over his left shoulder.  Not a high percentage shot.

Another thing that I noticed when watching Jordan Hill in the post is he tends to settle for jumpers a little too much. Here, Hill makes the catch and faces up.  The face up works for a player like Hill because he can turn, survey the situation, and decide what to do next.  After the face up, Hill turns his back to his man as if he is going to make a move, then quickly turns around and takes a forced jump shot.  If you are going to face up and take the jumper, that is fine, but that little spin doesn’t really give Hill an advantage, and it makes the shot attempt harder.  Especially when he has a guy he can bully defending him.

Something that I noticed with Jordan Hill is that he always turns to the middle of the court when he makes a move with his back to the basket.  It doesn’t matter which side of the court he is on, but he always turns to the middle and either tries to get to the rim or attempts a hook with either one of his shoulders.  Here, Hill makes the catch, fakes baseline, and turns middle.  The double team was a little late, and Hill gets bailed out with a touch foul call, but this is something I wanted to show you because this is something you might see defense do when Hill makes the catch.

When you turn to the middle, you are basically turning into the defense.  If you mix it up as a post player (going baseline sometimes then going middle), teams aren’t going to be able to effectively defend it.  However, if you turn to the middle every time (like Hill does), teams are going to pick up on it and sit on it, waiting for the turn and then sending the double.  Against better quality defenders, this move is a stolen ball and not a trip to the foul line for Hill.

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  • spike
    the knicks passed on brandon jennings for jordan hill? no wonder we dumped him on houston? he can still improve but, how much?
  • jiberd
    Holy cow, Skywalker, did you just convince yourself that Anthony Randolph is as good a player as David Lee? I don't care what system he plays in-- that's not an informed comment!
  • Skywalker
    Trading Jeffries and Hill (along with our #1 in 2012) enabled the Knicks to do a sign and trade for David Lee in which they received Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Keleena Azubuike and to sign Raymond Felton. Randolph was the #8 pick in 2008 and is a MUCH better player than Hill with a much greater upside. So if you look at ultimately what the trade Donnie Walsh made you have:
    Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes, David Lee and a 2012 slightly protected 1st rd pic + 2011 option to swap pics for half a season of Tracy McGrady, the possibility of signing two max FAs, and Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Keleena Azubuike and Raymond Felton and a 2nd round pick. If the trade was constructed as such at the time, you wouldn't think Walsh was nuts for making it. The Knicks are arguably a much stronger team after the trade. Felton is a great PG for Dantoni's system and Randolph is arguably as valuable in Dantoni's system as Lee is and definitely more than Hill. In the end Walsh redeemed himself this offseason.

    Comment - I'm probably in the minority of Knicks fans, but I actually love Jeffries as a bench guy who comes in as a defensive stopper. He will little PT in Houston and I would love to have him back in NY at $2.5 mil a year.
  • luke
    on that last play he also gave up a few feet of position by waiting for the ball instead of sealing the rotator out, seems like a classic case of a guy lacking in awareness. could've benefited from more college time
  • Nobody is better than Jordan
    @fade
    Hill's not another Landry. If anyone on the team is closest to being Landry v2.0 it's Patterson.
    I still think Hill's got another full season of development, so the limited minutes are fine, provided everyone else remains healthy. At the same time, he can't develop without minutes on the floor. As it stands right now, I'd rather see him back up Yao at the 5 than David Andersen. Andersen's more experienced, but he can't hang physically. And with Lowry holding court and powering the ball, it frees up Hill around the basket to focus on rebounding or getting quick feeds that lead to easy lay-ups or dunks. I still think Houston needs another 5 with a proven record that can start over Yao if need be, and that can't be Hill, Andersen, and definitely not Hayes again.
  • fade
    Yeah, as a Rockets fan, I think we're hoping he'll be the second coming of Carl Landry. For the first 1-2 seasons, Landry basically lived off of Tracy McGrady's drives and passes and just finished at the rim. It was only after 2-3 years in the league did Landry complete his game. Jordan Hill has slightly better physical tools than Landry (especially after the shooting) and possesses a solid mid range shot.

    So give him 1-2 years and he should get to a solid 15/8 a night.
  • abbie
    As a Houston fan. we know JHill is still a project. Fortunately we have good big man coache like Jack Sikma and consultant Caroll Dawson who worked with both Carl Landry and Luis Scola. We need size so we like him.

    Compounding the struggle he had in the summer league is we're trying to see if he can play as a 5 to potentially back up Yao, so we took him away from his normal 4 spot. He had a lot to absorb--new offensive moves as well as anchoring the defense. Coaches are still upbeat with him.

    I just think the Knicks picked him too high at 8 last year. It's not a knock on Hill but on your management team.
  • Jason
    As a Knicks fan, this makes me so glad we got rid of him. And isn't the difference in basketball skill between Steph Curry and Jordan Hill, at picks 7 & 8 respectively, ENOURMOUS?
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