Comments on: Jordan Hill’s Post Up Struggles http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/ A look at play-calling in the NBA Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: spike http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1114 spike Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:48:19 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1114 the knicks passed on brandon jennings for jordan hill? no wonder we dumped him on houston? he can still improve but, how much? the knicks passed on brandon jennings for jordan hill? no wonder we dumped him on houston? he can still improve but, how much?

]]> By: jiberd http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1113 jiberd Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:08:01 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1113 Holy cow, Skywalker, did you just convince yourself that Anthony Randolph is as good a player as David Lee? I don't care what system he plays in-- that's not an informed comment! Holy cow, Skywalker, did you just convince yourself that Anthony Randolph is as good a player as David Lee? I don’t care what system he plays in– that’s not an informed comment!

]]> By: Skywalker http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1112 Skywalker Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:01:03 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1112 Trading Jeffries and Hill (along with our #1 in 2012) enabled the Knicks to do a sign and trade for David Lee in which they received Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Keleena Azubuike and to sign Raymond Felton. Randolph was the #8 pick in 2008 and is a MUCH better player than Hill with a much greater upside. So if you look at ultimately what the trade Donnie Walsh made you have: Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes, David Lee and a 2012 slightly protected 1st rd pic + 2011 option to swap pics for half a season of Tracy McGrady, the possibility of signing two max FAs, and Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Keleena Azubuike and Raymond Felton and a 2nd round pick. If the trade was constructed as such at the time, you wouldn't think Walsh was nuts for making it. The Knicks are arguably a much stronger team after the trade. Felton is a great PG for Dantoni's system and Randolph is arguably as valuable in Dantoni's system as Lee is and definitely more than Hill. In the end Walsh redeemed himself this offseason. Comment - I'm probably in the minority of Knicks fans, but I actually love Jeffries as a bench guy who comes in as a defensive stopper. He will little PT in Houston and I would love to have him back in NY at $2.5 mil a year. Trading Jeffries and Hill (along with our #1 in 2012) enabled the Knicks to do a sign and trade for David Lee in which they received Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Keleena Azubuike and to sign Raymond Felton. Randolph was the #8 pick in 2008 and is a MUCH better player than Hill with a much greater upside. So if you look at ultimately what the trade Donnie Walsh made you have:
Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes, David Lee and a 2012 slightly protected 1st rd pic + 2011 option to swap pics for half a season of Tracy McGrady, the possibility of signing two max FAs, and Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Keleena Azubuike and Raymond Felton and a 2nd round pick. If the trade was constructed as such at the time, you wouldn’t think Walsh was nuts for making it. The Knicks are arguably a much stronger team after the trade. Felton is a great PG for Dantoni’s system and Randolph is arguably as valuable in Dantoni’s system as Lee is and definitely more than Hill. In the end Walsh redeemed himself this offseason.

Comment – I’m probably in the minority of Knicks fans, but I actually love Jeffries as a bench guy who comes in as a defensive stopper. He will little PT in Houston and I would love to have him back in NY at $2.5 mil a year.

]]> By: luke http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1111 luke Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:07:10 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1111 on that last play he also gave up a few feet of position by waiting for the ball instead of sealing the rotator out, seems like a classic case of a guy lacking in awareness. could've benefited from more college time on that last play he also gave up a few feet of position by waiting for the ball instead of sealing the rotator out, seems like a classic case of a guy lacking in awareness. could’ve benefited from more college time

]]> By: Nobody is better than Jordan http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1110 Nobody is better than Jordan Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:16:36 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1110 @fade Hill's not another Landry. If anyone on the team is closest to being Landry v2.0 it's Patterson. I still think Hill's got another full season of development, so the limited minutes are fine, provided everyone else remains healthy. At the same time, he can't develop without minutes on the floor. As it stands right now, I'd rather see him back up Yao at the 5 than David Andersen. Andersen's more experienced, but he can't hang physically. And with Lowry holding court and powering the ball, it frees up Hill around the basket to focus on rebounding or getting quick feeds that lead to easy lay-ups or dunks. I still think Houston needs another 5 with a proven record that can start over Yao if need be, and that can't be Hill, Andersen, and definitely not Hayes again. @fade
Hill’s not another Landry. If anyone on the team is closest to being Landry v2.0 it’s Patterson.
I still think Hill’s got another full season of development, so the limited minutes are fine, provided everyone else remains healthy. At the same time, he can’t develop without minutes on the floor. As it stands right now, I’d rather see him back up Yao at the 5 than David Andersen. Andersen’s more experienced, but he can’t hang physically. And with Lowry holding court and powering the ball, it frees up Hill around the basket to focus on rebounding or getting quick feeds that lead to easy lay-ups or dunks. I still think Houston needs another 5 with a proven record that can start over Yao if need be, and that can’t be Hill, Andersen, and definitely not Hayes again.

]]> By: fade http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1109 fade Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:13:54 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1109 Yeah, as a Rockets fan, I think we're hoping he'll be the second coming of Carl Landry. For the first 1-2 seasons, Landry basically lived off of Tracy McGrady's drives and passes and just finished at the rim. It was only after 2-3 years in the league did Landry complete his game. Jordan Hill has slightly better physical tools than Landry (especially after the shooting) and possesses a solid mid range shot. So give him 1-2 years and he should get to a solid 15/8 a night. Yeah, as a Rockets fan, I think we’re hoping he’ll be the second coming of Carl Landry. For the first 1-2 seasons, Landry basically lived off of Tracy McGrady’s drives and passes and just finished at the rim. It was only after 2-3 years in the league did Landry complete his game. Jordan Hill has slightly better physical tools than Landry (especially after the shooting) and possesses a solid mid range shot.

So give him 1-2 years and he should get to a solid 15/8 a night.

]]> By: abbie http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1108 abbie Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:03:44 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1108 As a Houston fan. we know JHill is still a project. Fortunately we have good big man coache like Jack Sikma and consultant Caroll Dawson who worked with both Carl Landry and Luis Scola. We need size so we like him. Compounding the struggle he had in the summer league is we're trying to see if he can play as a 5 to potentially back up Yao, so we took him away from his normal 4 spot. He had a lot to absorb--new offensive moves as well as anchoring the defense. Coaches are still upbeat with him. I just think the Knicks picked him too high at 8 last year. It's not a knock on Hill but on your management team. As a Houston fan. we know JHill is still a project. Fortunately we have good big man coache like Jack Sikma and consultant Caroll Dawson who worked with both Carl Landry and Luis Scola. We need size so we like him.

Compounding the struggle he had in the summer league is we’re trying to see if he can play as a 5 to potentially back up Yao, so we took him away from his normal 4 spot. He had a lot to absorb–new offensive moves as well as anchoring the defense. Coaches are still upbeat with him.

I just think the Knicks picked him too high at 8 last year. It’s not a knock on Hill but on your management team.

]]> By: Jason http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1107 Jason Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:55:55 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1107 As a Knicks fan, this makes me so glad we got rid of him. And isn't the difference in basketball skill between Steph Curry and Jordan Hill, at picks 7 & 8 respectively, ENOURMOUS? As a Knicks fan, this makes me so glad we got rid of him. And isn’t the difference in basketball skill between Steph Curry and Jordan Hill, at picks 7 & 8 respectively, ENOURMOUS?

]]> By: Houston Rockets reach deal with Luis Scola: 5 years, $47million | Red94 | essays and musings on the nba and houston rockets http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/16/jordan-hills-post-up-struggles/#comment-1106 Houston Rockets reach deal with Luis Scola: 5 years, $47million | Red94 | essays and musings on the nba and houston rockets Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:13:11 +0000 http://nbaplaybook.com/?p=3516#comment-1106 [...] Update at 10:02AM: TrueHoop’s Sebastian Pruiti discusses Jordan Hill’s struggles in the post with video evidence.  Take a look. [...] [...] Update at 10:02AM: TrueHoop’s Sebastian Pruiti discusses Jordan Hill’s struggles in the post with video evidence.  Take a look. [...]

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