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Suns’ Jason Richardson Set Doesn’t Work For Vince Carter

Remember that set that the Suns loved to run for Jason Richardson?  The one where the Suns have a number of different options based on how the defense played it?  In case you don’t remember, here it is:

Well, with Jason Richardson no longer on the Suns’ roster, Alvin Gentry and the Suns coaching staff tried to find a replacement for Jason Richardson in this set.  They decided to try it with Vince Carter.  On the surface, it makes sense.  Both Richardson and Carter are athletic guys that can catch a lob or knock down a jumper (the two skills needed to be the main option in this set).  However, it didn’t work out as planned:

Can you tell the difference between the play ran by Vince Carter and the play ran by Jason Richardson? There are a few differences, but the first, and most important is how hard the players go through the motion. Richardson not only comes off the initial backscreen as if he is actually going to catch a lob, but if he doesn’t catch it, he plants his foot in the ground and comes off the pindown hard, getting open.

Watch how slow Vince Carter goes off the initial backscreen. Ron Artest, isn’t even worried about the lob as he trails Carter around the screen. After coming off the screen slow, Carter doesn’t even put his foot in the ground, but takes a few steps to turn around, effectively killing any chance he had at a jumper by using that change of direction. To make matters worse, he absolutely whiffs on the backscreen for Channing Frye.

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What this shows you is that a coach can have the perfect playcall, but if it doesn’t fit his personel, it isn’t going to work. That is the case here.

06
Jan 2011
POSTED BY Sebastian Pruiti
POSTED IN Lazy Phoenix Suns
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  • http://twitter.com/ColinZvosec Colin Zvosec

    Also the case: Vince Carter is a loser. For all of his great athletic ability, this play can kind of sum up his career.

  • j.

    carter looks asleep out there

  • http://twitter.com/ColinZvosec Colin Zvosec

    Also the case: Vince Carter is a loser. For all of his great athletic ability, this play can kind of sum up his career.

  • j.

    carter looks asleep out there

  • allenmathis

    that's an amazing beakdown. i knew that vince has lost 500 steps and his heart isn't in it. he's collecting an immense salary. he's very intelligent and says all the right things (unlike when he admitted he quit in toronto and has been more less off and on quitting ever since). now his skills have diminished. seeing how well orlando's doing and how poorly washington and phoenix have done in the eight games since the trade, it appears that the latter got fleeced. washington had to rid itself of arenas. perhaps gortat's a good pickup in the long run. but pietrus… can you spell lack intelligence en fracais?

  • bisita

    since returning to phoenix, rarely has steve nash not made any player play good, at the very least. if VC is still mediocre (as compared to his toronto or even NJ days) with the suns, well…..

  • allenmathis

    that’s an amazing beakdown. i knew that vince has lost 500 steps and his heart isn’t in it. he’s collecting an immense salary. he’s very intelligent and says all the right things (unlike when he admitted he quit in toronto and has been more less off and on quitting ever since). now his skills have diminished. seeing how well orlando’s doing and how poorly washington and phoenix have done in the eight games since the trade, it appears that the latter got fleeced. washington had to rid itself of arenas. perhaps gortat’s a good pickup in the long run. but pietrus… can you spell lack intelligence en fracais?

  • bisita

    since returning to phoenix, rarely has steve nash not made any player play good, at the very least. if VC is still mediocre (as compared to his toronto or even NJ days) with the suns, well…..

  • Jsan1217

    half-man, half-amazing, half-heart…

  • Dddddd

    Vince can't come off the backscreen hard tho he's injured.

  • Jsan1217

    half-man, half-amazing, half-heart…

  • Dddddd

    Vince can’t come off the backscreen hard tho he’s injured.

  • Panzeh

    Pietrus is a really good defender, and he's one of the few guys who can actually bother Lebron. Too bad he's on a team that won't be playing against the Heat in the playoffs. I think VC just doesn't really have his heart in it for a team like Phoenix. I don't really blame him.

  • Panzeh

    Pietrus is a really good defender, and he’s one of the few guys who can actually bother Lebron. Too bad he’s on a team that won’t be playing against the Heat in the playoffs. I think VC just doesn’t really have his heart in it for a team like Phoenix. I don’t really blame him.

  • Vendrell

    Love the tag “lazy”.

    Vince has been my least favorite NBA player for a decade. To see him traded to my beloved Suns is a deep wound.

    Please trade Nash out of there to a contender.

  • 111111

    Vince is not fit in the kind move
    he need the ball then p&r to dominate the rim

  • Cacafish

    wow, I'm not a big fan of VC but you gotta give him a few more games to learn what Jrich was doing for 2 years

  • Vendrell

    Love the tag “lazy”.

    Vince has been my least favorite NBA player for a decade. To see him traded to my beloved Suns is a deep wound.

    Please trade Nash out of there to a contender.

  • 111111

    Vince is not fit in the kind move
    he need the ball then p&r to dominate the rim

  • Cacafish

    wow, I’m not a big fan of VC but you gotta give him a few more games to learn what Jrich was doing for 2 years

  • Jumalphas

    “Un manque d'intelligence”

  • Jumalphas

    “Un manque d’intelligence”

  • youlosers

    It's funny watching a bunch of out-of-shape losers criticize an NBA player. Let's see you losers get out there and do better. Otherwise, STFU

  • youlosers

    It’s funny watching a bunch of out-of-shape losers criticize an NBA player. Let’s see you losers get out there and do better. Otherwise, STFU

  • ffffffffffff

    i think this has more to do with ron artest being an excellent defender. j rich wouldn't be able to pull this on ron artest either.

    i also love the tag “lazy”. vince carter works harder than any of you. what have you done that lets you talk trash about him? can you do it better?

  • ffffffffffff

    i think this has more to do with ron artest being an excellent defender. j rich wouldn’t be able to pull this on ron artest either.

    i also love the tag “lazy”. vince carter works harder than any of you. what have you done that lets you talk trash about him? can you do it better?

  • uslosers

    of course he'd kick my ass if we played one on one. a team of him and 4 losers would trash a team of me with 4 other losers. but relatively, us losers would do better. my grandfather has more heart tending to his garden than VC is showing lately. i loved watching vince in toronto and believed he was on his way to becoming truly elite after the playoff series against AI and the 76ers. but it seems that was his peak and just went downwards after.

  • uslosers

    of course he’d kick my ass if we played one on one. a team of him and 4 losers would trash a team of me with 4 other losers. but relatively, us losers would do better. my grandfather has more heart tending to his garden than VC is showing lately. i loved watching vince in toronto and believed he was on his way to becoming truly elite after the playoff series against AI and the 76ers. but it seems that was his peak and just went downwards after.

  • TheDane

    If playing with Steve Nash cannot make you fight for a last chance at a solid playoff-run, then nothing can.

  • TheDane

    If playing with Steve Nash cannot make you fight for a last chance at a solid playoff-run, then nothing can.

  • whitemamba

    Besides, I'm not getting paid millions upon millions to do what he does.

  • Anonymous

    Besides, I’m not getting paid millions upon millions to do what he does.

  • whitemamba

    Besides, I'm not getting paid millions upon millions to do what he does.

  • http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/02/14/the-clipboard-awards-february-13th-%e2%80%93-grizzlies-heat-suns/ NBA Playbook – A Look At The Playcalling In The NBA Through Videos, Pictures, & Words » The Clipboard Awards: February 13th – Grizzlies, Heat, Suns

    [...] play is a nice variation of the Jason Richardson set that the Suns used to run and tried to run for Vince Carter.  After making the pass to the wing, [...]

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Yep, awesome break down. The LA Lakers are a much better defensive team then the Wizards. ;0 Not to even mention that you cut the play off before it was even finished. Here is what I wrote on you tube…

    Way to cherry pick a single play from a guy who’s totally past his prime to make him look bad. Classy!

    What’s even more ridiculous is that on your blog it talks about the different options available. In one example it shows j-rich picking while the other guy back doors. Which is what they run in this video except Gasol isn’t fooled and stays with his man. Wow, what do you know, Pau the champion is smarter then Blatche and saw the back pick coming.. ;0

    Big wow #2, Ron Artest is also a good defender. Pau backs away from his man which lets Artest fight through the pick You can see him do it in the video. Artest gets through the pick cuz the Lakers have proper spacing on D. Gasol’s man has to come out to try and pick to make the play work where as in WSH he goes under and is actually picked by his own mate, Blatche. Artest then positions himself properly to prevent the back screen on Pau.

    Upon which they run another option with a pick ‘n roll with Gortat and Vince going back door off another screen at the top. It might not seem like a big deal either, but Pau stops his man at the top of the circle, while Blatche just stands still at the free throw line. It is a big deal. Ron Artest doesn’t fear a lob because he knows VC can’t jump anymore like he used to.

    Anyway, nice cherry picking. Later.

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Yep, awesome break down. The LA Lakers are a much better defensive team then the Wizards. ;0 Not to even mention that you cut the play off before it was even finished. Here is what I wrote on you tube…

    Way to cherry pick a single play from a guy who’s totally past his prime to make him look bad. Classy!

    What’s even more ridiculous is that on your blog it talks about the different options available. In one example it shows j-rich picking while the other guy back doors. Which is what they run in this video except Gasol isn’t fooled and stays with his man. Wow, what do you know, Pau the champion is smarter then Blatche and saw the back pick coming.. ;0

    Big wow #2, Ron Artest is also a good defender. Pau backs away from his man which lets Artest fight through the pick You can see him do it in the video. Artest gets through the pick cuz the Lakers have proper spacing on D. Gasol’s man has to come out to try and pick to make the play work where as in WSH he goes under and is actually picked by his own mate, Blatche. Artest then positions himself properly to prevent the back screen on Pau.

    Upon which they run another option with a pick ‘n roll with Gortat and Vince going back door off another screen at the top. It might not seem like a big deal either, but Pau stops his man at the top of the circle, while Blatche just stands still at the free throw line. It is a big deal. Ron Artest doesn’t fear a lob because he knows VC can’t jump anymore like he used to.

    Anyway, nice cherry picking. Later.

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Heh, and I just realized that you took this clip from a game that happened like what, 2 weeks after Vince Carter showed up in PHX? Dude has faults and is washed up, but you’re just a hater pretending to be smart. Get real.

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Heh, and I just realized that you took this clip from a game that happened like what, 2 weeks after Vince Carter showed up in PHX? Dude has faults and is washed up, but you’re just a hater pretending to be smart. Get real.

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Yep, awesome break down. The LA Lakers are a much better defensive team then the Wizards. ;0 Not to even mention that you cut the play off before it was even finished. Here is what I wrote on you tube…

    Way to cherry pick a single play from a guy who's totally past his prime to make him look bad. Classy!

    What's even more ridiculous is that on your blog it talks about the different options available. In one example it shows j-rich picking while the other guy back doors. Which is what they run in this video except Gasol isn't fooled and stays with his man. Wow, what do you know, Pau the champion is smarter then Blatche and saw the back pick coming.. ;0

    Big wow #2, Ron Artest is also a good defender. Pau backs away from his man which lets Artest fight through the pick You can see him do it in the video. Artest gets through the pick cuz the Lakers have proper spacing on D. Gasol's man has to come out to try and pick to make the play work where as in WSH he goes under and is actually picked by his own mate, Blatche. Artest then positions himself properly to prevent the back screen on Pau.

    Upon which they run another option with a pick 'n roll with Gortat and Vince going back door off another screen at the top. It might not seem like a big deal either, but Pau stops his man at the top of the circle, while Blatche just stands still at the free throw line. It is a big deal. Ron Artest doesn't fear a lob because he knows VC can't jump anymore like he used to.

    Anyway, nice cherry picking. Later.

  • http://fullcourtpest.com blah

    Heh, and I just realized that you took this clip from a game that happened like what, 2 weeks after Vince Carter showed up in PHX? Dude has faults and is washed up, but you're just a hater pretending to be smart. Get real.